INSTITUTO NACIONAL DE ESTATÍSTICA
RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PARIS21/SADC REGIONAL WORKSHOP ON
“Better dialogue on statistics for better development results”
The regional workshop “Better dialogue on statistics for better development results" for SADC countries
was held in Maputo from 14 – 15 October 2013, co-organized by the PARIS21 Secretariat, the SADC
Secretariat in close collaboration with the National Statistical Institute of Mozambique (INE).
This workshop brought together the Directors General of the National Statistical Offices, the Heads of the
Planning Units (PRSP or Development Strategy Coordinator) and a representative from the user community
of 12 SADC countries (Seychelles was not represented and Madagascar and DRC attended the French
speaking workshop in 2012). The workshop also involved members of the PARIS21 Secretariat, a
representative of the SADC Secretariat, and representatives of sub-regional, regional and international
organizations. The list of participants is enclosed with this document.
The workshop was opened by the President of the INE Mozambique, Dr Joao Loureiro. (The text of his speech
is enclosed in Appendix 1).
The aim of the workshop was to:
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Promote stronger dialogue between users and producers of statistics;
Prepare practical proposals to achieve closer connections between National Strategies for the
Development of Statistics (NSDSs), policy makers and users of statistics;
Mobilize stakeholders, including users, to strengthen National Statistical Systems (NSSs) so that they
can face the challenges of the post 2015 development Agenda; and
Brainstorm on the data revolution and see how to bring the countries’ voices in those discussions.
1. DIAGNOSIS OF KEY ISSUES NSSs FACE
In the preparation phase of the workshop, PARIS21 carried out a light survey to assess the main
characteristics of the NSOs and to analyze their relations with the development strategy units. This survey
underlined the following results (the full document is available on the PARIS21 website
(http://www.paris21.org/node/1619):
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The most important constraint faced by NSOs is related to Human Resources, in their quantitative
and qualitative dimensions.
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NSDS is the key reference for statistical programming in all the SADC countries. It has been adopted
by all the countries except South Africa.
Statistics users play a growing role in statistical development in all the countries. However, this role
is mostly through participation in the design and launching phases of the NSDS. The favourite
partner is the mass media. Relations with civil society, private sector and academia are still very
limited.
In most of the countries there is no formal link between NSO’s objectives and Development
Strategies. Only three countries have inserted the NSDS into their PRSP or Development Strategy
Document, of which two have an action plan and a budget reflecting the strategy.
The expectations of the development strategy entities regarding the NSOs are strictly linked to
the monitoring and evaluation dimension of the development plan.
The main challenges for the future are: reinforcement of the independence of the NSSs;
systematisation of the programming approach in statistics; involvement of the users beyond the
design phase of the NSDS; unification and coordination of the official providers of data; capacity
building and adoption of a sustainable funding system.
The discussions during the workshop, including the presentations made by the UNECA and the AfDB,
confirmed these conclusions and brought further details:
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NSDSs have strengthened the status of statistics in the development agenda, fostered a growing
attention to the data demand, through a dialogue with users, particularly with line ministries.
In terms of weaknesses, there are still huge challenges for NSDSs, particularly regarding funding,
monitoring /evaluation and relations with the main users.
The representative from the AfDB underlined the weak coordination of the NSSs and urged the NSOs
to better mainstream sectorial statistics into the NSDS, following a bottom-up approach.
2. BEST PRACTICES FROM THE COUNTRIES
During the workshop, a dedicated session offered time to countries to exchange on their best practices and
lessons learned, especially on the implementation of the NSDSs and dialogue with the users of statistics:
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Swaziland presented how statistics have been used to formulate the various development policy
documents of the country, and how statistical development has been mainstreamed in the overall
policies. This clearly demonstrated to policy makers the necessity to support and invest in the NSS.
The commissioner of Malawi shared his experience of donor coordination. Thanks to the Donor
group on statistics, Malawi managed to dialogue in a very simple and efficient way with the donor
community with a lot of impact in term of streamlining of activities, simplification of the funding
procedures, sharing of information, etc.
Mozambique stressed the importance of involving the users in all steps of the NSDS process, which
boosts the quality of the strategy and the success of its implementation. This permanent approach
and its dynamic nature have clearly provided crucial support to the implementation of the NSDS in
Mozambique.
Concerning interaction with the private sector, the representative from the Lesotho Chamber of
Commerce and Industry explained why statistics are so important in dialogue with the economic
players and in the promotion of an effective business climate. The President of INE Mozambique
explained how private partners have been involved in the co-funding of some surveys. He
advocated for having some kind of collaboration with the private sector, especially for important
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surveys. This discussion showed the necessity of exploring how Public Private Partnerships could
benefit official statistical development in developing countries.
3. RECOMMENDATIONS
The main objective of this workshop, to strengthen dialogue between statisticians and users, was achieved.
Participants unanimously confirmed their willingness to continue this dialogue after the workshop, and to
develop initiatives on a long term basis, both within their countries and regionally. Based on the analysis
presented on the countries’ experience, participants decided to prepare a series of concrete
recommendations. These recommendations focus on six key areas:
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The participants considered that broadening and deepening the user/producer dialogue on
statistics in the SADC region should be a priority. To achieve this, 6 main activities were proposed:
ACTION
At the country level, prepare a mapping of the statistical
stakeholders, with a focus on the users;
Organize regular user/producer workshops (by theme;
based on data gaps/needs, at a subnational level, by type of
users, etc...) ;
Revise the PARIS21 guidelines on “how to organize
user/producer workshop”;
Organise training of users of statistics, by category of
users;
Effectively use advocacy strategies, tools, materials and
messages developed by PARIS21 and partners to raise the
awareness of the different stakeholders
Develop ad-hoc advocacy materials to raise the awareness
of the different stakeholders at both national and SADC
sub-regional levels.
INSTITUTIONS IN CHARGE
NSO, with possible support of
PARIS21 and regional partners
NSO, with possible support of
PARIS21 and regional partners
ACTION
Political commitment: it is recommended to identify
advocacy champions for statistics and use them to raise
awareness among high-level policy-makers. Guidelines
could be prepared to support the advocacy for statistics in
this context.
Internal funding: it is suggested to identify and use the
appropriate budgetary instruments to guarantee the
adequate internal funding. In this context, two
recommendations were made:
i. Medium-Term Expenditure Frameworks (MTEF)
should include an output and an outcome related to
statistics;
ii. Each project and programme should include a
Monitoring and Evaluation (M&E) component and a
related budget.
External funding: In order to mobilize external funding,
INSTITUTIONS IN CHARGE
NSOs, PARIS21 and regional partners
PARIS21 Secretariat
NSO, with possible support of
PARIS21 and regional partners
NSO, with possible support of
PARIS21 and regional partners
NSO, with possible support of
PARIS21 and regional partners
The participants believe that the adoption of sustainable modes of funding for the NSSs is essential. It
requires more assertive actions on the political deciders, the use of appropriate budgetary instruments
and efficient donors’ mobilization and coordination. In this perspective, six recommendations have been
adopted:
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NSO, policy-makers, Ministries of
Finance and Budget
NSO, lead donors in statistics at the
three recommendations were made:
i. Involve donors in the design and launching phases of
the NSDSs;
ii. Establish a national coordination mechanism for
donors on statistical issues;
iii. Create and implement efficient funding arrangements
(e.g. basket funds) for external resources.
3.
The participants emphasized the need to better disseminate the data and enhance the dialogue with
each category of users in this perspective. Six recommendations were made:
ACTION
Establish a Public Relations Office in each NSO. (Guidelines
could be prepared.)
Prepare and implement a tool to measure the users’
satisfaction regarding the NSS’s products and services.
Establish an official advance data release calendar and
disseminate it to the users.
Build capacity to facilitate dialogue between producers and
users (including specific training of users and producers).
Prepare and implement a protocol for release of microdata in each country.
Undertake adequate archiving of official data and facilitate
its accessibility to users.
4.
country level, regional partners and
support from PARIS21 (for advocacy
and facilitation of funding)
INSTITUTIONS IN CHARGE
NSO, with possible support from
PARIS21
NSO, with possible support of
PARIS21 and regional partners
NSO
PARIS21 and regional partners
NSO and partners
NSO and partners
The participants underlined the important role played by NSDSs and RSDSs to adapt and strengthen
the NSSs. They emphasised the need to anchor the NSDSs and RSDS in national and regional
development agenda respectively and improve/update/revise the current version of the NSDS of
Member States /SADC Regional Strategy for Development of Statistics (RSDS) taking into account the
post 2015 agenda. Five recommendations were put forward as follows:
ACTION
Systematize the reviews (mid-term, final) of NSDSs and
SADC RSDSs to update them and increase their impact.
Synchronise and fully integrate the NSDSs and the RSDS
within the National and Regional Development Strategy
process respectively.
Strengthen the links between successive NSDSs, their
funding requirements, and the national budget process.
Revise and align the NSDS and the SADC RSDS in order to
reflect the post-2015 requirements and calendar, with the
help of the new PARIS21 guidelines for NSDSs.
Mainstream sectors in the design and implementation of
the NSDSs and the SADC RSDS.
Mainstream main targets or goals of the SADC RSDS into
Member States NSDSs design
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INSTITUTIONS IN CHARGE
NSO, Regional Partners, with possible
support of PARIS21
NSO; PRSP/planning unit; and
Regional Partners
NSO, National Statistical Council
NSO, Regional Partners with the
support of PARIS21
NSO, Line Ministries, Regional
Partners with support from PARIS21
NSO, Regional Partners with the
support of PARIS21
5.
Private sector: many participants highlighted the need to better acknowledge the role of the private
sector in the production and the dissemination of statistics. In this context, participants recommend the
following activities:
ACTION
Assess the current role of the private sector in production
and dissemination of data in the SADC region.
Undertake a study on the feasibility of Public – Private
Partnerships (PPP) for statistics.
6.
INSTITUTIONS IN CHARGE
NSO, with possible support of
PARIS21 and regional partners
PARIS21
Engaging in the Post-2015 debate: Considering the current debate on the Post-2015 Development
Agenda and the call for a “data revolution”, the workshop also explored the role that African NSS
representatives can and should play in this crucial period. In particular, participants discussed the
impact of this data revolution on the activities of NSSs and how to make it a real opportunity for the
development of official statistics in the SADC region, and more generally in Africa. There was animated
discussion about big data. Strong views were expressed about a well-designed, resourced and
implemented NSDS that is mainstreamed in the national policy and planning processes having the
possibility to herald a data revolution in the countries. To properly address this important issue, the
participants suggested 3 mains activities:
ACTION
Organize national forums to assess data supply and
demand, identify the data needs of users and the
main challenges for the NSSs in meeting those needs.
Assess how new technologies and institutional
governance arrangements could ease the statistical
process.
Encourage the PARIS21 Secretariat to continue to
inform countries about the Post-2015 debate and
involve statisticians and data users in the debate.
INSTITUTIONS IN CHARGE
NSO, with possible support of PARIS21 and
regional partners
PARIS21, UNECA, AfDB (regional workshop
in Cape Verde – Feb. 2014))
PARIS21
4. NEXT STEPS AND FOLLOW-UP WORK
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The PARIS21 Secretariat, in close collaboration with all regional and international partners
committed to supporting statistics, is willing to help countries implement the proposed actions. To
obtain this help, countries must make official requests to the PARIS21 Secretariat.
In approximately one year's time, probably during a SADC meeting, the PARIS21 Secretariat will
present a progress report on the activities proposed in this workshop. This report will summarise
feedback from countries that have implemented the workshop's recommendations.
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Appendix 1: Intervenção Do Presidente Do INE, João Dias Loureiro
Magnífico Reitor da Universidade Eduardo Mondlane
Senhores Vice-Presidentes do INE, Excelências
Senhores Presidentes e Directores Gerais dos INE da SADC
Senhores Representantes do Secretariado da SADC
Senhores Representantes do Consórcio PARIS21/OCDE
Distintos Convidados
Minhas senhoras e meus Senhores
Apraz-me, em primeiro lugar, manifestar a minha profunda gratidão, em nome do Instituto
Nacional de Estatística de Moçambique e meu nome pessoal, pelo facto de Moçambique ter sido
escolhido pelo Consórcio PARIS 21/OCDE e pelo Secretariado da SADC, para acolher e coorganizar este importante evento.
Com efeito, constitui uma grande honra e motivo de imensa alegria para nós, a presença de
todos os convidados neste Workshop Regional, para que em conjunto possamos trocar
impressões e experiências, com vista a estabelecer o reforço do diálogo que deve existir,
permanente, entre os principais actores de produção estatística e de políticas de
desenvolvimento.
Em segundo lugar gostaríamos de vos dar as boas vindas ao nosso País e em particular à esta
bela “Cidade das Acácias”, na expectativa de que cada um de vós saia deste encontro mais
enriquecido com o contributo de todos e de cada um dos participantes, pois só assim os
objectivos preconizados para este Workshop, ou seja, consolidar a qualidade dos produtos
estatísticos fiáveis para melhores resultados de desenvolvimento, serão alcançados.
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Minhas senhoras, meus Senhores
O lema escolhido para este Workshop “Melhorando o diálogo em Estatística para o
alcance de melhores resultados de Desenvolvimento” remete-nos de imediato a
ideia de que existe um reconhecimento inequívoco de que as estatísticas constituem
uma ferramenta indispensável para a medição do desenvolvimento. Com efeito, a
Estatística é uma ferramenta fundamental para que se possa traçar planos sociais e
económicos de modo a se projectar metas para o futuro. Pois, na actualidade as técnicas
estatísticas avançadas permitem por exemplo, estimar com um bom grau de precisão
variáveis como tamanho da população, taxa de emprego e desemprego, índice de
inflação, demanda por determinados bens e serviços, assim como formular planos para
atingir as metas programadas de progresso rumo ao bem-estar social das populações.
Portanto, é nossa convicção de que os decisores políticos, a sociedade civil e a comunidade
internacional, estão cientes da importância de estatísticas para a formulação de políticas
baseadas em evidências, monitoria e avaliação de estratégias de desenvolvimento.
Por outro lado, estamos igualmente cientes de que muitos dos Sistemas Estatísticos
Nacionais na nossa região em particular, não estão actualmente em condições de
fornecer de forma adequada todos os dados estatísticos necessários para promover o
desenvolvimento no momento de que deles se necessita. Não obstante essa dificuldade,
esforços tem estado a ser empreendidos no sentido de se melhorar o estado de
estatísticas oficiais e estabelecê-las como uma alta prioridade na agenda dos governos
da região Austral de África.
Desta feita, importa-nos destacar a título de exemplo, a adopção por quase todos os países
africanos e em particular os da SADC da integração das Estratégias Nacionais de
Desenvolvimento da Estatística (ENDE) na Estratégia Nacional de Redução da Pobreza
ou em documentos de estratégia nacional de desenvolvimento, onde se destaca,
claramente, o papel das estatísticas no processo de Desenvolvimento.
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Caros convidados
Distintos colegas
A realização deste evento que hoje tem início, traduz o empenho da SADC enquanto bloco
regional, conjuntamente com os seus parceiros de cooperação, no desenvolvimento de
estratégias e políticas conjuntas orientadas para o estabelecimento de uma estreita
colaboração e relação forte, entre os produtores e utilizadores de estatísticas de modo a se
reforçar a procura e uso das estatísticas oficiais e o consequente aumento da oferta por parte
do Sistema Estatístico Nacional dos nossos países.
Neste sentido, torna-se relevante tirarmos o máximo proveito desta oportunidade que nos é
criada pelo Consórcio PARIS 21, para em conjunto possamos rever as directrizes de
políticas, definirmos acções inovativas que procurem dar resposta aos desafios
enfrentados actualmente, respondendo assim a pergunta central que irá guiar os nossos
debates neste Workshop: "Como podemos adaptar o Sistema de Estatística para
alcançar melhores resultados de Desenvolvimento?”
Com efeito, os grandes desafios que enfrentamos actualmente são justamente os de lidar com
horizontes de rápidas mudanças que exigem uma capacidade de resposta e de promoção de
consensos ainda mais desenvolvidos, com vista ao desenvolvimento nacional, regional e
mundial, integrados.
Entendemos, portanto, que a nossa experiência, criatividade e o engenho humano devem
ser mobilizados através de realização de encontro do género para que em conjunto –
produtores e utilizadores de informação estatística oficial - encontremos soluções
viáveis e que criem os alicerces que forjem um novo paradigma de como forma de fazer
face a Agenda de Desenvolvimento Pós- 2015.
Com efeito, como foi recomendado pelo Painel de Alto Nível do Secretario Geral da ONU em
Maio de 2013, exige-se uma "revolução de dados" com uma nova iniciativa/ parceria
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global internacional para melhorar a qualidade, a disponibilidade e a comparabilidade
das estatísticas e informações disponíveis aos cidadãos, governos, agências
internacionais, organizações da sociedade civil e empresas públicas e privadas.
É pois neste contexto que, o Consórcio PARIS21 e o Secretariado da SADC em coordenação com
o INE de Moçambique organizaram este evento como forma de dar resposta a essas
recomendações de Maio deste ano.
Minhas senhoras, meus Senhores
Para terminar, queremos aqui e agora saudar o apoio incondicional que nos tem sido
prestado pelos nossos parceiros de cooperação com vista o desenvolvimento das
estatísticas oficiais na nossa região, bem como do fortalecimento das nossas capacidades
de resposta oportuna aos desafios que nos são colocados.
De igual modo, gostaríamos de agradecer de forma reiterada a presença de todos, e apelar para
que de forma franca e aberta participemos nos debates que se seguirão às apresentações,
expressando as nossas opiniões de modo que no final deste encontro se alcance os objectivos
preconizados.
Os nossos sinceros agradecimentos ao Consórcio PARIS21, ao Secretariado da SADC pela
organização deste evento.
A todos, votos de bom trabalho!
Muito obrigado!
Maputo, aos 14 de Outubro de 2013
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Appendix 2: LIST OF PARTICIPANTS
Country participants
ANGOLA
Dr. Artur LUKOKI
Dr. Domingos CONSTANTINO
Deputy Director General
Instituto Nacional de Estatistica
[email protected]
Head of The Planning and Cooperation
Department
Instituto Nacional de Estatistica
[email protected]
Prof. Luiekakio AFONSO
BOTSWANA
Professor
The Agostinho Neto University
[email protected]
Mrs. Koontse MOKGWATHI
Ms. Chada KOKETSO
Ag. Manager NSS & External
Relations
Director
Central Statistics Office
Tél. (267) 7300 8017
[email protected]
Dr. John MOTHIBI
Permanent Secretary
Office of the President, Ministry of
State President, Poverty
Eradication Strategy Office,
PRSP Coordinator
Tél. (267)3950805/3950800
[email protected]
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Office of the President, Ministry of State
President, Poverty Eradication Strategy
Office, PRSP Coordinator
Tél. (267) 3950805/3950800
[email protected]
LESOTHO
Ms. Liengoane Mothoweso
LEFOSA
Director
Directorate of Statistics
Tél. (226) 2232 3127
[email protected]
Ms. Liako MOFO
Deputy/Chief Economist
The NSDP secretariat
[email protected]
[email protected]
Mr. Fako Hakane
Secretary General
Lesotho Chamber of Commerce
and Industry
[email protected]
MALAWI
Mr. Charles MACHINJILI
Ms. Tamara MUGHOGHO
Commissioner
Principal Economist
National Statistics Office
Tél . (265) 152 4377
[email protected]
Mr. Milward TOBIAS
Programme Manager
Malawi Economic Justice Network
Tél. (265) 999897122
[email protected]
MAURITIUS
Mr. Dhananjay JULEEMUN
Principal Statistician
Central Statistical Office
Tél. (230) 212 23 14
[email protected]
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Ministry of Economic Planning and
Development
Tél. (265) 888 893 495
[email protected]
MOZAMBIQUE
Mr. João Dias Loureiro
Mr. Cirilo Tembe
President of INE
Director of Integration, Coordination and
External Relations, INE
Ms. Alda Rocha
Ms. Marta Chaquisse
Head of International Relations
and Cooperation Division, INE
Head of Department of Planning and
Coordination, INE
Mr. Renato Cassamo
Mr. Rogerio Muteto
Senior Technician, International
Relations and Cooperation
Division, INE
Technician, Department of Planning, INE
Mr. Paulo Matusse
Mr. Elias Mathe
Technician, Department of
Diffusion and Documentation,
INE
Technician, Department of Diffusion and
Documentation and Coordination, INE
Mr. Marcelino Silva
Mr. Lars Carlsson,
Technician, Department of
Diffusion and Documentation
(media coordinator), INE
ScanSTAT advisor
Ms. Julia Cravo,
Ms. Leonette Mabjaia,
ScanSTAT advisor
Director of the National Statistical School
(ENE)
Ms. Destina Uinge
Ms. Anabela Sengulane
President’s Advisor for training,
ENE
Radio Mozambique
Mr. Eduardo Sengo
Economic Adviser
Confederation of Business
Associations of Mozambique
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NAMIBIA
Ms. Ndamona C. KALI
Mr. Vekondja H. TJIKUZU
Director-Economic Statistics
Development Advisor on Regional Planning
[email protected]
Tél. (264) 811 228 298
Namibia Statistics Agency
National Planning Commission
[email protected]
[email protected]
Ms. Albertina Ligamena
NAKALE
Senior Journalist
New Era Publication Corporation
[email protected]
SWAZILAND
Mr. Amos ZWANE
Ms. Zanele DLAMINI
Acting Director
Director
[email protected]
Tél. (268) 7606 3061
Central Statistical Office
University of Swaziland
[email protected]
Mr. Colin TSHABALALA
Principal Economist
Ministry of Economic Planning
and Development
Tél. (268) 2404 3765/2158
[email protected]
SOUTH AFRICA
Ms. Yandiswa Mpetsheni
Mr. Harry Thema
Statistics South Africa
Statistics South Africa
Mr. Innocent NGALINDA
Mr. Denis R. MBEKENGA
Professor/Rector
Principal Statistician
[email protected]
TANZANIA
Eastern Africa Statistical Training
Centre
[email protected]
[email protected]
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[email protected]
Ministry of Finance
Mob. (255) 0659 466633/ (255) 0765 195320
[email protected]
ZAMBIA
Mr. Daniel DAKA
Deputy Director and Coordinator
of NSDS
Central Bureau of Statistics
Tél. (260) 977 849 328
[email protected]
[email protected]
ZIMBABWE
Mr. Mutasa DZINOTIZEI
Director
ZIMSTAT
[email protected]
Regional and international Partners
AfDB
Mr. Ben KIREGYERA
Consultant
African Development Bank
[email protected]
AFRICAN
UNION
COMMISSI
ON
Mr. Nzingoula Gildas CREPIN
Senior counsellor, statistics
division
African Union Commission
[email protected]
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EAST AFRICAN
COMMUNIT
Y (EAC)
Mr. Edouard CISHAHAYO
Statistics Specialist
East African Community
Tél. (255) 759 718 148
[email protected]
[email protected]
ITALY
Ms. Laura VIRGILI
Consultant
Italian Cooperation Office in
Maputo
[email protected]
Tél. (258) 82 7419550
SADC
SECRETARI
AT
Mr. Ackim JERE
Statistician
Southern Africa Development
Community, SADC Secretariat
Tél. (267) 395 1863
[email protected]
UNECA
Mr. Joseph Tinfissi ILIBOUDO
Director, African Centre for
statistics
UNECA
[email protected]
THE WORLD
BANK
Mr. Carlos da MAIA
Poverty Economist, AFTP1
The World Bank – Mozambique
[email protected]
European Union
Ms. Valentina de Bernardi
European Delegation in Maputo
Mozambique
[email protected]
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UNFPA
Mr. Gilberto Norte
UNFPA Mozambique
[email protected]
Embassy of
Norway in
Mozambique
Embassy of
Sweden in
Mozambique
FAO
Ms. Clarisse Barbosa Fernandes
Embassy of Norway, Maputo
[email protected]
Mr. Robert Backlund
Swedish Embassy in Mozambique
[email protected]
Mr. Eugénio Macamo
FAO Mozambique, Maputo
[email protected]
UN Women
Ms. Maria Salvador
Programme Assistant
UN Women, Maputo
[email protected]
Ms. Ondina Da Barca Vieira
GRB Programme Manager
UN Women, Maputo
[email protected]
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PARIS21
Mr. Johannes JÜTTING
Mr. Samuel BLAZYK
Manager of PARIS21 Secretariat
Programme Coordinator
Tél. +(33-1) 45 24 87 25
Tél. +(33-1) 45 24 90 35
OECD Paris, France
OECD Paris , France
[email protected]
[email protected]
Ms. Violeta CEZARD
Mr. Jean LE NAY
Assistant
Consulant
Tél. +(33-1) 45 24 9281
[email protected]
OECD Paris, France
[email protected]
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